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This is ironic because the people calling this site "fake" [https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/sheffield/2011/04/478397.html wanted to shut it down], if they had got their way this site and thread wouldn't exist. They went to extreme lengths to ensure that the collective running this site (at the time called the Mayday collective) and Sheffield Indymedia were blocked from becoming "official" on the [https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/new-imc New IMC list], look at the archives from [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2010-December/thread.html December 2010], [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2011-January/thread.html January], [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2011-February/thread.html February], [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2011-March/thread.html March], [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2011-April/thread.html April] and [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2011-May/thread.html May 2011] — huge efforts were put into blocking (and also banning and purging UK Indymedia activists from lists and the global wiki site).  
 
This is ironic because the people calling this site "fake" [https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/sheffield/2011/04/478397.html wanted to shut it down], if they had got their way this site and thread wouldn't exist. They went to extreme lengths to ensure that the collective running this site (at the time called the Mayday collective) and Sheffield Indymedia were blocked from becoming "official" on the [https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/new-imc New IMC list], look at the archives from [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2010-December/thread.html December 2010], [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2011-January/thread.html January], [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2011-February/thread.html February], [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2011-March/thread.html March], [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2011-April/thread.html April] and [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2011-May/thread.html May 2011] — huge efforts were put into blocking (and also banning and purging UK Indymedia activists from lists and the global wiki site).  
  
Now contrast this with the traffic on that list in the last year, [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2011-August/thread.html August], [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2011-October/thread.html October], [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2011-December/thread.html December 2011], [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2012-January/thread.html January] and [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2012-July/thread.html July 2012] — apart from IMC Oxford's application nothing has happened, New IMC applications from [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2011-August/0801-ry.html Venezuela-Centro], [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2011-December/1231-ov.html Alacant] and [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2012-January/0117-nx.html Tunisie] have been ignored — the people wanting this site shut down put more energy into the attempted closure of this site and the blocking of Sheffield than they have put into helping proposed new site get established.
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Now contrast this with the traffic on that list in the last year, [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2011-August/thread.html August], [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2011-October/thread.html October], [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2011-December/thread.html December 2011], [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2012-January/thread.html January] and [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2012-July/thread.html July 2012] — apart from IMC Oxford's application nothing has happened, New IMC applications from [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2011-August/0801-ry.html Venezuela-Centro], [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2011-December/1231-ov.html Alacant] and [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2012-January/0117-nx.html Tunisie] have been ignored — the people wanting this site shut down put more energy into the attempted closure of this site and the blocking of Sheffield than they have put into helping proposed new sites get established. They have also called for the [https://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/www-features/2012-February/0228-lq.html archiving of the global site], though thankfully this hasn't happened.
  
 
=== Disinformation, trolling and the information war===
 
=== Disinformation, trolling and the information war===

Revision as of 10:48, 3 August 2012

This page replaces my home page on docs.indymedia.org — I have been locked out of that site.

Draft Comment

For this thread.

"Fake" sites and bitter ironies

Further up in this thread the UK Indymedia site is refered to as a "fake site", apparently without any irony.

This is ironic because the people calling this site "fake" wanted to shut it down, if they had got their way this site and thread wouldn't exist. They went to extreme lengths to ensure that the collective running this site (at the time called the Mayday collective) and Sheffield Indymedia were blocked from becoming "official" on the New IMC list, look at the archives from December 2010, January, February, March, April and May 2011 — huge efforts were put into blocking (and also banning and purging UK Indymedia activists from lists and the global wiki site).

Now contrast this with the traffic on that list in the last year, August, October, December 2011, January and July 2012 — apart from IMC Oxford's application nothing has happened, New IMC applications from Venezuela-Centro, Alacant and Tunisie have been ignored — the people wanting this site shut down put more energy into the attempted closure of this site and the blocking of Sheffield than they have put into helping proposed new sites get established. They have also called for the archiving of the global site, though thankfully this hasn't happened.

Disinformation, trolling and the information war

One of the root issues at the heart of the UK Indymedia split was how to deal with the (apparently) professional trolling this site gets, the London / Northern IMC approach was to try to ignore and work around the problem, by, for example, removing the ability for articles to have comments posted to them.

An example of the disinformational trolling is the first (now hidden) comment on this thread — it's in my name but it wasn't posted by me, I didn't see this thread till there were over 40 comments here.

The approach that the people running the UK Indymedia site take to disinformation is different from the London / Northern IMC one:

One aspect of the open publishing model, which was not foreseen, was the extent to which it could be used and abused for the purposes of disinformation. Our approach to this is not to close down open publishing but to take active steps to remove disinformation and expose the tactics and politics of those behind it.

The above is taken from the Mayday Indymedia Founding Statement.

Another example of disinformation was an article posted to this site in June 2009, "Indymedia UK, the rise of the independents" — this is probably the best documented example of disinformation posted to this site and the documentation of the disinformation led to repeated calls from London / Northern IMC and others for the wiki page exposing the disinformation to be deleted — this is a really bad way to deal with disinformation.

London / Northern IMC continue to claim that the domain name, indymedia.org.uk, has been "stolen" (see for example this email from a few days ago), but they show no interest in resolving this dispute through the process of consensus decision making, we sought a return to consensus but the response was a witchhunt. London and Northern still have their indymedia.org.uk subdomains — nothing was "stolen" from anyone — the activists running this site simply prevented the London / Northern attempt to shut it down and asserted their autonomy.